Update: The material discussions referenced below from a ferocious anti-Paulist counter missionary group that FALSELY claims to be Messianic have - as I suspected would occur - mysteriously disappeared from their website and bulletin board. In addition, that website has itself disappeared, but not before a site admin PROVED HIMSELF TO HAVE REJECTED MESSIAH! This proves yet again that demonic forces of intentional deceit drive he and his comrades. The "evidence" of their extreme counter missionary agenda has now been largely hidden from public view so as to make it easier for them to entrap unwitting victims in their counter missionary treachery. Nevertheless, the discussion below is still very relevant and no less crucial. They can easily hide the evidence of their wickedness here on earth within the internet, but they will find it impossible to erase it from the Book of Life kept under guard in the Heavenlies. There, the evidence is retained forever beyond their electronic erasers to be used in passing harsh judgment on their anti-Messiah, counter missionary schemes of deceit - unless of course they PUBLICLY REPENT of their depravity. To date, there has been zero evidence of any signs or suggestions of repentance, and I am deeply saddened to say I expect none forthcoming. It is my ernest hope that after receiving the just level of punishment such evil entails that YHWH the Merciful One will not erase their names from the Book but will, instead, let their deserved punishment stand as payment while allowing thereafter their enjoyment of eternal life along with those who do not so violently attack Messianic truth. In other words, may YHWH The Living God have mercy on their souls despite their unwitting, naive alliance with the Devil.
Say it ain't so! Yet more irrefutablePROOF of counter missionary treachery! I am still waiting for an apology from those who dared to accuse me of spreading slander when I identified a supposed Messianic/Christian "teacher" of actually being a counter missionay wolf in sheep's clothing. Now I have even MORE irrefutable proof that I was correct. In addition, the proof I supply very strongly suggest ALL of those who attacked me were either active participants in the demonic treachery perpetrated by that individual or, at the very least, passively support his dedicated counter missionary agenda. Below I quote, word for word, from the FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) area of his website which he has now closed. I hope the Satan inspired teachings of he and his likely deceived supporters will remain closed, but I sadly suspect they may simply be laboring to open a new site in which they will finally be direct and open in their intense hatred of the New Testament teachings and the Messiah presented therein.
The question asked on his bulletinb board was "Do you believe Yeshua (Jesush) is the Messiah?" It is clearly seen in his reply that he does NOT accept Yeshua as Messiah even though he, using standard counter missionary deception, refuses to actually openly state directly that he rejects him. Judge for yourself as you read his deceptive response in which he obviously hopes to sow doubt about whether or not Yeshua (Jesus) is the Messiah.
The issue of the "messiah" is perhaps the most troubling doctrine I've had to face. Traditional Christianity and Messianic Judaism alike, teaches that if you reject Jesus/Y'shua as your personal savior that you have no chance of salvation. The problem with this logic is that nowhere in scripture are we told that a man is coming to whom, if we reject his message, we have no salvation. Nowhere in the Tanak (Old Testament) is it predicted that a man would come and die for the sins of the world. In fact, human sacrifice is forbidden! Worse yet is the assertion by many who place their faith in Jesus/Y'shua that he is literally "God" and that you must believe that "God died" in order to be "saved." This notion is blasphemous and in complete opposition to the scripture!
To further complicate the matter, the Hebrew Scriptures portray an ENTIRELY different meaning of the Anglicized (English) concepts known as "Messiah," "Christ," "Savior," and "salvation." In the Hebrew Scriptures, the messiah's purpose is entirely different than the purpose Christianity and Messianic Judaism claim his purpose should be. In fact, many of those well versed in the Hebrew Scriptures know full well that Jesus/Y'shua did not fulfill nearly 3/4ths of the requirements of the "messiah" and therefore it is quite illogical for them to blindly give him a title for which he has not yet qualified. Having failed to fulfill the majority of "messianic" prophecies, how could they not doubt or entirely reject Christianity and Messianic Judaism's claims to his messiahship? Lastly, those Christians or Messianics who have taken the time to actually read in context the supposed "proof texts" of Jesus/Y'shua's claim to the title of messiah or Christ are shocked to find how horribly these verses are taken out of context and how requirements before and after the supposed"fulfillment" have been totally ignored and left unexplained.
Lastly, when one examines the history of the pagan fertility/sun gods such as Dionysus, Bacchus, Tammuz, Mithra and others, they may be stunned to find shocking parallels to the "Jesus" story which are written about pagan sun gods thousands of years before Jesus/Y'shua is said to have lived. This includes stories of a man born of a virgin and fathered by a god who dies for the sins of his people and is resurrected three days later. It also includes miracles such as turning water into wine and titles of the sun gods applied to Jesus/Y'shua such as the "good shepherd" and "light of the world.' It includes phrases used by Jesus/Y'shua that were first stated by Mithra or another sun god such as the phrase, "If you do not eat my flesh and drink my blood, you will not have eternal life." When one compares the gross parallels to pagan sun gods predating the life of Jesus/Y'shua by over 1,000 years it should give one room to pause, especially in light of the facts stated in the first two paragraphs. Therefore to a large extent, that is part of what this website intends to examine. Is Y'shua truly the "messiah" predicted in scripture or is he a test of Israel to see if they will follow after other "gods?"
I earnestly and sincerely greave for those who suffer the utter
destruction in their Messianic faith that he exhibits, and I plead
with those persons (they know who I am talking about) to please
separate themselves from him and "flee Satan." If not, then at least
do the right thing and ADMIT that you are serving a counter missionary
cause. Also, I ask that the person (Lee) who pursues this counter
missionary agenda to stop hiding behind your lies and state for all to
know that you are NOT a Messianic, that you REJECT the claims of the
New Testament, and basically that you are indeed firmly in the camp of
counter missionaries.
I also remind ALL of those who once accused me of speading slander about Lee and others - "slander" that has repeatedly been shown to actually be truthful facts - that it is time to apologize and admit that you have been sharing in the concealment of a counter missionary agenda. Of course, given that many of them are now as firmly in Satan's hands as the one now vehemently opposing Yeshua's role, position, and accomplishments, I doubt "doing the right thing" (righteousness) is understood by them.
Let me provide a little history regarding this typical counter missionary wave of deceit ...
Some time ago I exposed an individual on my then-existing bulletin board for what he is - an anti-Paulist counter-missionary. Actually, I kept his name anonymous until he and his comrades decided to publicly lynch me on my SHeMA bulletin board which I have since closed. In their verbal lynching they hurled accusations of lying against me, saying that my suspicions of his counter-missionary beliefs were totally slanderous and unfounded. He publicly denied ever being an anti-Paulists even though he had privately revealed himself to me as being precisely that. In short, he falsified himself and his comrades stood shoulder to shoulder with him as he did!
Of course, since his admission was to me in private it was simply a case at that time of them believing him instead of me. As you will see, I was the one who should have been believed. However, I must admit that I am personally convinced that some among his defenders actually knew that he WAS and IS an anti-Paulist and simply misrepresented themselves and their knowledge of his actual beliefs to cover up his and their concealed counter missionary agenda.
He then almost immediately started a spirited and well attended topic discussion entitled "Defending Against Anti-Paul Accusation" on his own bulletin board in which he made the following statement:
"Some of you may have been keeping up with the recent accusations being leveled against me by some in the faith claiming that I am anti-Paul or anti-messianic. I have been labled a liar, a deceiver, and a tool of the evil one. For the record let me state again:
I do not reject the writings of Paul. I believe that Paul is primarily pro-torah and was himself torah observant. His writings have been GROSSLY misunderstood by Christianity to create a new doctrine that the law has been done away with. Paul was not teaching the doctrine as the church teaches it today. I believe Paul makes some errors in handling scripture but for the most part is very accurate in his understanding of law vs grace and how these concepts work. I have not rejected the messiah nor if Pauls writings contain errors will that nullify my faith in Y'shua. For those who need further comment or clarifcation please...just ask."
[Oddly, you will note that there is some obvious ambiguity in his statement since on the one hand he says he does not reject Paul and that he feels Paul is "very accurate," yet on the other hand he implicitly DOES show at least partial rejection of Paul when you "read between the lines" of what he said when he states that Paul "makes some errors in handling scripture" and suggests "Paul's writings contain errors." I note the conflicts in the quote above in both bold and red letters where the bold letters represent his denial of being anti-Paul and the red letters slyly suggests just the opposite.]
In both that topic discussion and a separate one his supporters were either blindly naive, wrongly considering him truthful, or lying when they sustained and aggressively defended his denial of being anti-Paul and lined up to give their own testimony allegedly proving him to NOT be anti-Paul. Of course in so doing they could not resist the temptation to pursue yet more slanderous verbal public attacks on me for daring to make a claim against the person I knew then and know now to be a definite anti-Paul counter-missionary.
(By the way, his bulletin board eventually became a very popular hang-out for some truly extreme anti-Paulists and general counter missionaries to congregate and zealously spew their attacks on Paul and the beloved inspired New Testament writings. That in itself - the fact that counter-missionaries can find safe haven and substantial agreement on his bulletin board - is proof of his counter-missionary agenda.)
WELL ... It is amazing how often the truth has a way of eventually slipping out ... as time marched on and a few short weeks went by ... he presented an in depth "study" of Paul within his Paltalk room and posted his studies on the same website in which he STILL has his denial of being anti-Paul.
The study was entitled, "Paul, the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly." Amazingly (not to me however) the "Bad" and the "Ugly" DOMINATED his study. The "Good" takes up only ONE part in his FOUR part study series. The overwhelming majority of his extensive "study," represented by the other three parts, is decidedly ANTI-Paul. The lengthy 4-part discussion ridicules and scorns Paul in many ways and leaves absolutely NO doubt that he and those who support him are indeed VERY much anti-Paulists. Of course, in typical counter-missionary fashion he says that his presentation is for informational purposes only and that he is only presenting it so that the reader can "decide for themselves."
Who does he think he is kidding? How can he be so completely false?! He and his anti-Paulists counter-missionary disciples are OBVIOUSLY trying to persuade people that Paul is "Bad" and "Ugly." Of that there is absolutely no doubt! By deceptively claiming to not be he is once again showing himself to be falsifying himself (Lying)! Is their no end to the depths he will stoop to conceal his true counter-missionary beliefs? Is there no end to his and his supporter's shameless and intentional deceit? Have he and they lost all sense of shame, which the sages rightly identify as the purest evidence of a person being truly evil?
His discussions are far too lengthy to present here; however, I'll simply quote the summaries given for his discussions as they appear on his website. Even from those summaries it is obvious that he is definitely anti-Paul even though he tones them down a bit from the material in the actual discussions being summarized.
Paul the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly - Part 2 summary:
Part 2 of a 4 part series on the writings of Paul examined from a torah observant messianic perspective. Part 2 examines the writings of Paul to determine if Paul spoke contrary to the law. In particular we examine Paul's use of scripture and see that at times Paul appears to leave out portions of a verse or ignore the context of scripture to make a verse say nearly the oposite of what the original context intended.Paul the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly - Part 3 summary:
Part 3 of a 4 part series on the writings of Paul examined from a torah observant messianic perspective. Part 3 examines the claim that the Bible itself identifies Paul as a false apostle. I lay out evidence that Paul may have had little to no respect for the hand-picked apostles and may have actually called THEM false apostles. I also lay out evidence showing that Paul was rejected in all the churches of Asia, the very churches the book of Revelations was written to and that they had tested someone and found them to be a false apostle.Paul the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly - Part 4 summary:
Part 4 of a 4 part series on the writings of Paul examined from a torah observant messianic perspective. Part 4 examines some parables which might hide deeper truths about the purpose of Paul in the Bible. I examine the story of Balaam and compare it to Paul who may be the one who holds to Balaams doctrines. I also look at the possibility that Y'shua knew false doctrines would be spread along side the true doctrines and that he told us to leave those false doctrines alone rather than try to pull them out of our Bible.
In each of the 3 parts of his discussion above he very clearly presents Paul in an extremely negative manner and thus, despite his denials, PUBLICLY proves himself to be an anti-Paulist counter-missionary!
Friends, I said it then and I'll say it now since it is now a fact of public record: He is a blatant, shameless falsifier of his beliefs and intentions who INTENTIONALLY seeks to conceal his true beliefs and who does not have the righteousness within himself to admit that he lied then, is lying now, and indeed has a DEFINITE anti-Paulism counter-missionary agenda. He is both hypocritical and deceitful to the fullest extent imaginable yet shows no shame whatsoever for his continued misrepresentation of what he believes and his objectives. He and his comrades are truly proving themselves wicked beyond belief through their utterly treacherous deceitfulness and outrageously blatant hypocrisy. There is absolutely NO DOUBT of it since he, himself, has provided the evidence to support ALL my accusations.
Of course, it is also important to note that not one single member of his anti-Paul entourage who all had previously strongly supported his denial of being an anti-Paulist has taken the time to send me any hint of an apology or acknowledgment that I was indeed correct. Nor have they admitted that they had been hiding the truth of his being an anti-Paulist intentionally, which is actually the case for some of them. On the contrary, they consider their lies and baseless slander against me to be just fine, continue to speak evil of me, and act as though they did nothing wrong. Their arrogant and sinful lack of humility is rather disgusting.
Let me repeat: Even though the individual and others who are co-leaders in his anti-Paul crusade have now PROVEN themselves to be anti-Paul counter-missionaries none of those who distanced themselves from me, spoke evil of me, sought to destroy my reputation, and accused me of falsely accusing him have the goodness in their hearts to do what it right by sending me an apology or admitting that I WAS and AM correct in my assessment of him. NOT ONE! It has been months, giving them ample time to do so; yet they have not. That goes a long way to proving the sad state of their own spiritual standing.
This is yet another perfect example of my having to endure "persecution for righteousness sake" just as my beloved King Messiah Yeshua said would occur.
Amazingly, to this day he continues to spew falsehood with his insistence that he is not an anti-Paulist, and they continue to support his deception and prove themselves to also be anti-Paul counter-missionaries?! UNBELIEVABLE!! That may change in the future once he or they realizes the truth is out, but he should have ceased his denials WEEKS ago - indeed, the very first time the issue arose on my own SHeMA bulletin board. But frankly I doubt neither he nor those who joined in berating me will admit the truth since he and they seem comfortable with their deceit. It truly is a shock for me to witness those who shared his denial still continuing to support him and refusing to acknowledge my CORRECT appraisal of him?! They willingly share in the evil shamelessness of his wicked and deviously fraudulent agenda. They are stiff-necked and unrepentant in their sin of lying as well as their unfounded slander of me as being the one who was lying. By the way, I have the data available from his "Good, Bad, and Ugly" study since he may delete the "evidence" once he or his cohorts in deceit discover this particular article. (INDEED! As mentioned in my update at the start of this article, he has done precisely that!)
As usual "you will know them by their fruits," and his fruit as well as the fruit of his supporters is SHAMELESS , AUDACIOUS, ARROGANT LYING AND DECEPTION!
Now I will see if anyone contacts me with words of apology. It seems that all of them are so totally turned over to anti-Paul counter-missionary ways that they no longer care about the deceit that led them to where they now find themselves. They do not seem to care that their "leader" has proven himself to be an outright falsifier of the truth. I'll see if even some of those whom I still consider friends will contact me admitting that I was right. I would hope that at least they would have the decency to apologize and acknowledge their incorrect judgment against me. Nevertheless, even though I once considered some of them very dear friends - brothers and sisters in Messiah with whom I thoroughly enjoyed interacting - I doubt that I will hear from them. In those cases I am brought deep despair. Oh well, don't worry, I'm not gong to hold my breath expecting to hear such things from any of them and will be actually surprised if I do.
This represents a typical example of the wickedness of counter-missionaries and also provides yet more proof that their "inspiration" is from the father of lies and deceit - Satan! Beware of them and be mindful of this example since it reveals their true hearts and true "inspiration."